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Philip from It's all in your mind - sorry chaps, keep getting the title of your blog wrong - with the latest on the 'technique' discussion .....
Philip is absolutely right about Indie, I reckon. It has shunned experimentalism without mastering musicianship, so it remains mired in some mediocre nowheresville. Drabness : forget postpunk, even at its most brown-rice earnest, it glistened with psychedelic intensity by comparison with Turin Brakes and Doves. What confuses me about Indie is what people see - and hear - in it: I'm genuinely puzzled about what people feel they get from Indie these days.
To answer my own question: it's all about authenticity isn't it? The Indie fan rejects chartpop because it is too plastic and too manufactured; rejects house, techno, garage because they are too synthetic; he/she cleaves to Indie not because of musicianship per se, but because of what musicianship is taken to signify: authentic self-expression. In fact, and this takes us right back to Philip's original comment, this is a direct inheritance from lumpen-punk's ur-igingal error : its confusion of ham-fisted bluster with a pure expressiveness and its eschewal of all other means of expression beyond guitar-bass-drums.
Who's interested in lumpen-punk now? It was a fundamentalist misreading: ur-punk was only significant in that it blew open a space for post-punk. And: if you want to talk about technique, well, it's astonishing how proficient some of the postpunk musicians were: Levene, McGeoch, Adamson, Wobble. But it wasn't just technical ability that made them unique: it was their (modernist?) refusal to repeat or recapitulate the past, their conviction that if you weren't getting new sounds out of your equipment, you had somehow failed.
And this is it, really: you can be a master of technique without producing any new affect . Conversely, you might have no technical ability, but a tremendous capacity for discovering new sounds, riffs, stabs... And that's what Pop - in the broadest sense - is about: new ways of feeling, new ways of perceiving.
[date unknown - 2003 or 2004 - the very early days of K-punk blog, which don't seem to be up on the internet - I found this in an old document of cut-and-pastes from his blog I'd made, as I did with several others blogs at that time. Lucky i was a hoarder, eh? With a presentiment that so much on the internet might disappear - already some bloggers had abruptly deleted their blogs.... more from the K-punk early archive soon]
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Mark is really talking about landfill indie here - the post-Britpop slop
But "Indie" is just as capable of inventing "new ways of feeling, new ways of perceiving", despite its relative lack of technique
Shoegaze is a case in point
And it's something I have riffed in the UK talks last week: starting with the idea that someone at Dissensus made, that critics are sensualists, identifying the new forms of pleasure, the new intensities
As do musicians too of course
So for instance, hearing My Bloody Valentine with conventional ears, you might think "this is badly recorded rock music, badly played guitar, with barely-there / barely audible vocals".
And this was a common initial reaction even from people who became fans - Patti Smith heard Loveless and she told me that at first she thought there was something wrong with the CD player - others have similarly testified that they thought it was a damaged CD or a badly pressed vinyl record
But then you realise that it's deliberate and that it sounds better than conventionally well-recorded, well-mixed rock
It's the new form of sonic ecstasy
Perhaps you need to be guided by the critic-sensualist towards that understanding (cf hearing jungle as more than just a chaos of rhythm, hearing Auto-Tune trap as not a cheap, nasty, over-used effect but as a emerging field of aesthetic action)
Overall, "indie" is an entire genre that could be dismissed as badly played, badly recorded rock music, sung by people who aren't singers.
But that becomes its own aesthetic - a set of possibilities opened up by bypassing conventional ideas of musicianship, fine playing, clean production, powerful vocalisation.
yeah this really doesn't seem to be on k-punk anymore. thank you for sharing this!
ReplyDeleteHave you seen this in the Quietus from 2022: Andy Burnham's Baker's Dozen pick of 13 albums? It might well be the most indie list even theoretically conceivable: https://thequietus.com/interviews/bakers-dozen/andy-burnham-bakers-dozen-favourite-music/
ReplyDeleteTo compare with another incoming Labour PM, the NME got Tony Blair to name his top ten singles of 1996 for the Christmas edition:
The Ghost of Tom Joad - Bruce Springsteen
Three Lions - The Lightning Seeds featuring David Baddiel and Frank Skinner
Don't Look Back in Anger - Oasis
Ironic - Alanis Morissette
Hallo Spaceboy - David Bowie and the Pet Shop Boys
Say You'll Be There - The Spice Girls
Ready or Not - The Fugees
A Whiter Shade of Pale - Annie Lennox
Angel - Simply Red
Rotterdam - The Beautiful South
Anyway, I query whether authenticity is the issue which has plagued indie. Definitely in terms of landfill indie, what poisoned the genre was populism, the desire for mainstream success after Oasis and Coldplay demonstrated the potential for cashing in. You could say that such bands tried to perform a tightrope act of balancing scene credibility and accessible chart hits, but the tightrope was only a foot above the ground: not especially challenging and less likely to be walked along than to trip one up.
Also, it seems very odd to discuss indie without mentioning lyrics. That's traditionally been the trump card of indie, surely? To only talk about the music makes it feel like a very obvious point has been missed (especially since it would lead to a further discussion as to whether indie lyrics have become boring).
I also think the Americans and their soft indie warrant some blame. It's very easy to name classic British indie bands with some grit, some surliness. Can one imagine, say, Fleet Foxes or The National having a scrap among the band being recorded and released as a single? This may make them pleasant enough chaps, but by God it makes for dull music (that said, American soft indie clearly does fetishise authenticity).
That Burnham is very NME. At Melody Maker we touted a quite different "indie" aesthetic, such that I wouldn't even call it "indie".
DeleteYes lyrics are a big part of the indie offer, as it were - quirky- original, or poetic-literary. Emotional content rather sonic form is where the innovation can occur.
That said, here I am arguing, contra Fisher, that the very strictures and narrow focus in alternative rock (narrow in terms of its understanding of rock history and the sources it draws on, its shunning of the potentials in new technology, even its non-engagement with contemporary black music) can lead to newness. There is nothing really that sounded like The Chills's "Pink Frost", for instance, until that song and recordig came into existence. The minimalism, the non-flashy playing, the anti-theatricality and reticence of the vocals, the distillation of a tiny range of antecedents - these produced a new thing in the world.
I could probably think of a lot of other examples, although they would be pearls in a sea of porridge, admittedly. There is too much indie rock and indie pop in the world, but then the same could be same of almost anything - extreme metal, reggaeton, house...